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Showing posts with label Two state solution. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Two state solution. Show all posts

Friday, May 18, 2012

Why is Jordan Not Palestine?

Nadene Goldfoot
Jordan is that neighbor of Israel on the east side with  75% of their population of 5,568,565  calling themselves Palestinians who happen to be the Muslim ones.  Remember that before 1948, both Jews and Muslims called themselves "Palestinians."

It's become a joke to think that these Palestinians with their Hamas and Fatah leaders will ever recognize Israel and live in a two state solution  and in peace at that!  Ever since 1948 they haven't signed any peace treaty that practically guaranteed them the moon.  They were the biggest holdouts who wanted all the land, not the responsibility of creating a state-G-d forbid!

The Palestinians have cancelled their treaties with Israel which they had signed where both sides agreed that their conflict would be solved through negotiations and not through unilateral actions.  They want to turn their issue of Palestine over to the UN, so Israel is not bound anymore to these accords.  On the table in the USA is the idea of a one state solution and the question of the fact that Jordan, with their king married to a Palestinian already and with a population where 75% is Palestinian, actually is Palestine using a pseudonym of Jordan.

The British Mandate did weaken and created Jordan through the pressure of Emir Abdullah (1882-1951), who wanted his own state, who said he wanted it as a country for his own  bedouin tribesmen. This is the 2nd son of Hussein, sherif of Mecca and later king of Hejaz who supported Britain during WWI and who had negotiated with Chaim Weizmann in 1922.

 Both Abdullah and Weizmann thought the land had been promised to them without knowing about the dealings with the other.  So Abdullah changed from being a moderate to invading Israel in 1948 along with all the others.  The land was called Transjordan back then in 1921and he ruled his area that was detached from the original land.  Then in 1948 he annexed the eastern part and proclaimed his Kingdom of Jordan.

His grandson,Hussein,  born in 1935,  took over in 1952.  He was defeated in his aggressive attack in 1967 and Israel was able to then govern Judea and Samaria.  In 1970 he expelled the PLO from his country because he had a major showdown in September where many were killed but later reconciled with Arafat and acted like the protector of Arabs.  In 1988 he left it all to the PLO to handle.   Today it is #30 highest  Muslim population size with 5,568,565 population of which 95% are Sunni Muslims.  Islam is the state religion, of course.

Israel has 1.4 million Arabs living in it as citizens with full rights.  If ever a Palestine is created in Gaza on the West and in Judea-Samaria on the East, Israel will be sandwich fodder for a shooting gallery as this would come about without recognition of Israel as a Jewish state with peace.  Israel would be worse sitting ducks than they already are.

The goal of Hamas-Fatah is to ethnically cleanse Palestine of any Jews!  How Democratic can you get!  This amounts to the expulsion of about 675,000 Jews from their home in Judea, Samaria and EASTERN  JERUSALEM because they are Jewish.  All this can come about with Arab pressure through the UN.

What's most irksome to me is it's not like these places haven't been home to Jews before.  They amount to our ancient homeland, land with archaeological evidence and memories.  We've got our stamp on it.  That was to be part of the Jewish Homeland decided at the end of WWI.

US Congressman Joe Walsh has put the bee in Netanyahu's bonnet to give up on the two-state solution and go for one state by applying its sovereignty to Judea and Samaria, but I see he has a newly formed government and is again approaching the PA to sit down and talk turkey.  Do you have the Champagne bottle handy?  I agree with Walsh, but it would be like hitting the hornet's nest with a stick right now.  We're not all at the level of Dr. Spock and his rational thinking.

So far, 680 missiles, rockets and mortars fell into southern Israel in 2011.  More continue to fall because they feel powerful and are backed by Iran and their brothers.    Wouldn't it be wonderful if a miracle happened and the UN actually told them to knock it off and that they have to behave like civilized people and not solve their issues with power and death?

Resource:  Caroline B. Glick's essay, Embracing dangerous delusions and not our friends through gerardrobins@sbcglobal.net
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-17/news/sns-rt-us-usa-israel-irondomebre84g10p-20120517_1_palestinian-rocket-salvos-short-range-rocket-shield-rockets-and-mortars
New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia

Saturday, April 12, 2008

ISRAEL NEEDS A PALESTINE


The only recourse that I can see is to have a state of Palestine. There is one already which is Jordan. It is made up of many of the Palestinians who ran from Israel in 1948 at the dictates of their political organizers. I don't know how the King of Jordan would feel with over 3 million more beligerent Palestinians in his country, but I would be very happy to see it happen.

Now 20% of Israel’s citizens happen to be Arabs who are intigrated into the Israeli society. They even have established three political Arab parties. Of course they all favor their brothers, the terrorist groups of Fatah, and possibly even Hamas.

Hadash is a left-wing party connected to an anti-Zionist Communist Party. They call themselves a "Jewish-Arab party. They are for Israel withdrawing to pre-1967 borders, a Palestinian state next door to Israel, separation of religion and state, full equality for Arab citizens in Israel, and the Palestinian "right to return".

Balad, established in 1996, wants Israel to be a secular democratic state. They feel that Israel should withdraw from all the Palestinian territories and are for two states. They want Arabs to have further autonomy in culture and education.

Ra’am-Ta’al is the largest in the Knesset and is for and end to Israeli occupation of the territories and supports an independent Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as the capitol. They want Israeli settlements dismantled including those in the Golan Heights and along the border by Lebanon. They also want separation of religion and state and the "right of return."

Besides the Israeli Arabs, we have about 3 million Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza. One can see why they cannot be citizens in Israel. They do need their own state. Israel only has a little over 5 million Jews. If they had their way which included their right to return, millions would flood the tiny area, which is one way of driving the Jews into the sea. They would take over.

Israel was created as a Jewish state. The Arabs already have 22 Muslim states. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. The scenario of Israel losing its identity is not going to happen. In its zeal to do the right thing always, this was not forseen. The Declaration of Israel stated it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants, irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions, and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations Because of this commitment, it is plainly stuck.

One of our biggest Jewish Israeli critics is Benny Morris, who said that we missed the boat. We should have foreseen the Arab mentality. He said, "a society that aims to destroy you forces you to destroy it. When the choice is between destroying or being destroyed, it’s better to destroy. A Jewish state would not have come into being without the events that occurred. He reminds us that the Arabs have a very large piece of land because it conquered and murdered and forced everyone to convert through many generations. The need for Israel overrides any injustice that the Palestinians may feel from being in the camps they chose to stay in. I remember that the Arabs sided with Germany and also planned to eliminate the Jews.

He agrees that this has become a "Holy War" with the Arabs, and it is survival for the Jews. One thing I would not give in to is Jerusalem. The "West Bank" is precious to the Jewish people also, being it is Judea and Samaria, but I would not give them Jerusalem at all. They have always had rights to living in East Jerusalem and having their holy places, but when Jerusalem was in Jordan’s hands, it was taken from us completely. Everything special in Jerusalem was treated as a latrine if it was Jewish. They’ve showed their spots before, and do not need it for their capital. Jerusalem is Jewish and should remain in Jewish hands. For us it was a miracle to regain Jerusalem after the 1967 war which we didn't start.

I do not see the creation of a Palestinian state in the near future. Neither does Benny Morris. He remarked that though other countries such as Germany and South Korea have changed by becoming liberal and Western, the Arabs have moved in the opposite direction. He is afraid that Israel may not survive this type of enemy that exploits its weakness in trying to be democratic and moral. What confounds me is that the world comes down on Israel as if it expects Israel to be super moral while expecting nothing from the Arabs.

In thinking about it, I feel that Truman and others felt Israel hadn't a chance in the world to survive, and they were just doing their moral thing in voting for its creation. They probably felt that these holocaust survivors and accountants wouldn't last a minute against the aggressive Arabs. They forgot that originally we were warriors, and were able to reach down into our souls after being almost completely eliminated off the face of the earth and were mad enough to survive and shock everyone. We didn't look like warriors, more like starving skeletons, but had the hearts and intelligence of warriors. Thus we became a thorn in the world's side.

After bantering back and forth as to whether we should give more land or attack, Morris admitted that everything could change with Iran in the picture. We may be facing a nuclear attack or we might eliminate them the same way. Whatever happens, Benny is remaining in Israel.

Reference: Jerusalem Post by David Horovitz: It was always a jihad.
Israel Project