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Showing posts with label peace table. Show all posts
Showing posts with label peace table. Show all posts

Thursday, November 7, 2013

So What? Did Abbas Really Leave the Peace Table?

Nadene Goldfoot                                                                     

                                                      The Peace Table:  Is it now empty?

The word floating around Cairo's TV news was that the peace talks between Abbas and Israel faltered seriously yesterday or ended.  Today's headlines out of Amman, Jordan read, "Kerry warns of violence if peace talks fail."

 To divert people's attention from Abbas, the news just announced that Arafat's test shows that he just may have been poisoned by polonium after all which is pointing a finger towards Israel. It sounds more like something that Iran could have had in their cupboard of uranium-like ingredients.   Arafat's the one who wouldn't make peace, being the head of the PLO-the origin of Fatah.  It couldn't have been someone eager to take Arafat's place, G-d forbid, could it?  Abbas is an impatient soul.  After all, Arafat, after putting up with him for 56 years, was already an icon to Israel.  An enemy you know is better than one you don't know.  He was old already at age 75 and in poor health from some of his exploits.  So now Israel is going to poison him?  Come on, people.

John Kerry, US Secretary of State, warned Israel by telling this tiny state that they face international isolation and possibly more violence if it doesn't make progress in their efforts with the Palestinians.  Israel has already released violent criminals that should have been executed in any other Democratic state with such a penalty, but because Israel has no death sentence, were in prison.  Israel has been compliant to this Palestinian demand, as distasteful and dangerous as it was.    Now, what have they done in turn for Israel?  Oh yes, they've had a hissy over Israel building apartment buildings in Judea-Samaria.

 The article remains silent about any comments to the Palestinians from Kerry.  Only Israel is chastised and threatened by the USA.
                                                                     
All the Palestinians have to do is mention de-legitimization of Israel which is said to be already happening in certain circles.  I suppose international law, recognition of Israel by the UN by all the states isn't enough for Kerry to stand his ground for Israel.

Oh, if Israel doesn't comply, they may face the consequence of the Palestinians being led by a violent leader.  I imagine he's talking about Hamas, who already has much control and has been sending down mortars, rockets and missiles into Israel since 2001.  I don't think  that Kerry has done much about that in any leverage in defense for Israel.  He's not a speaker for Israel, anyway.  He's just a moderator with the job of keeping them talking till April 14th, 2014.  He's threatening more conflict.  Well, Israel has had that to put up with since 1948.  There's been very few people who ever stepped in to defend Israel's rights like there has been for the Palestinians, I note.

Jordan is making known what they  would like to have as well.  They expect a common border with this state of Palestine, the fate of the multiplying refugees displaced in 1967's war and of course, Jerusalem where Jordan has the custody now of the Christian and Muslim holy sites.  Will Jordan lose this to Palestine?  He's also complaining about Israel's building in what Palestine wants as their state, a state without any Jewish building on it.  Or people.  They do not want Jews to live in their state, only Muslims.  They don't have the altruistic attitude of   Israel or even the USA who are homes to diverse people.  They want to be the 23rd state of an all Arab all Muslim state, and they are in the act of trying to take over other religion's holy sites as well.
                                                                   
Netanyahu has explained to Obama many times that Israel will not withdraw to any pre-1967 lines because they are indefensible.  Are countries asking Israel to commit suicide?  There are other expectations that are important to Israel that are not being met.  They want to be recognized as the Jewish state.   Jews were treated as dhimmis in the Middle East, a 2nd class or lower status.  The Arabs find this a hard bone to swallow with their bloated pride.  They are planning to get back property they never owned in the first place in the heart of Israel.  Israel isn't about to give up 1/4th of Jerusalem called East Jerusalem to them, either.  It's a Jewish capital, the  capital of David, King of Israel, and not a Muslim holding.  They're doing just fine, better than ever when they were in Jordanian hands.

I wonder if anyone remembers that it was through Israel's blood and defense that they won in 1967.  Israel won that  attack.  Why should they be the ones to suffer and give  everything dear up when the losers lost?  Isn't that why people fight wars?

Sitting down and making peace with people who really have peace in their heart seems like a dream.  I know it has happened with other countries in the past.  It happened between the USA and Mexico and the USA and Japan.  It happened with USA and Canada.  It had happened with England and France and even the European  with countries and Germany.   Most all of us just want to enjoy life and live happily ever after.  We want to succeed in our endeavors to provide for our family a stable environment.  We want to enjoy the fruits of our culture; computers, I-pads, videos, movies, great schools,  our beliefs in G-d, have the right to visit and see the world.  Harboring only destruction of a people changes their view of all this.  This is what Israel is up against- a people who for for almost 66 years refuse to accept Israel and have fought them. Whereas Egypt and Jordan finally came around and signed peace accords, Palestinians have not. For people who never had a country, they are very demanding, if nothing else.  These Arabs are a hodgpodge from the surrounding areas in the first place, not a displaced people.  They came, they saw, they worked for the Jews and now they want their land.

The Palestinians had been offered their own state of Palestine in 1948 when Israel accepted a bad deal that was the remains of conferencing with the British for years with their offered deal in the Balfour Declaration.  That was a broken paper by the British, but Israel decided that something was better than nothing.;  However, the Palestinians' thinking is that nothing is better as they'll wait  to take everything.  No way, Abbas, you had your chance.  Now make peace and quit  with your demands and  braggadocia about your terrific suicide bombers and such and how this is your idea of a culture to live next to Israel who on your maps has been erased, or never posted at all.  I for one am not broken up if you leave this peace table.  You offer very little anyway but trouble.  I see no peaceful living at the end of the tunnel with you.

Resource:  http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/politics/article/Kerry-sees-some-clarity-from-Mideast-peace-talks-4962852.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/was-yasser-arafat-killed-by-polonium-poisoning/2013/11/06/bada9e82-472c-11e3-95a9-3f15b5618ba8_story.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat

Friday, October 25, 2013

Releasing Murderers to Sate Arabs At Peace Table

Nadene Goldfoot                                                                        

Who does Israel have in prisons that the Palestinian Authority will not continue talking until they are all released?  "A recent terrorist release saw the government set free several convicted murderers, including terrorists who burned young children alive, and who slaughtered senior citizens with axes.  These are not nice murderers such as you might find in the USA, if you can consider any murderer "nice."  These acts are revolting!  We're dealing with a people who make it a science to be cruel just to get their own way.

Justice Minister, Tzipi Livni, 55,  is in a bind.  She heads Israel's negotiations with the PA.  The PA leaders have repeatedly  threatened that there will be no peace agreement with Israel unless Israel releases "every terrorist" from their prisons, no matter what they have done.

A bill has been brought into the Knesset that would ban the release of terrorists as a good-will gesture to the PA because of the crimes committed by these people.  It is ludicrous to release such criminals who will undoubtedly go out and commit such crimes again until caught.  Livni has been actually working to bury this bill because she thinks it will make life harder for her to appease the PA leaders.  They'll probably just walk out.  So she's been pressuring Netanyahu to join her to stop the bill before it is voted on.  The Bayit Yehudi (Jewish Home) party was outraged and said that it's more important to keep terrorist murderers in jail that to keep Livni in the government.  What it comes down to for many as they see it is that she can get permits for construction in Judea and Samaria for Jews if terrorists are released.  What's important is to save lives and keep murderers in jail, not building, they said.

Names up for release of course are of mass murderers and arch-terrorists.  There are no nice guys that are terrorists in Israel's jails.

Personally, the deaths I've been reading about in our Oregonian newspaper as violent ones that are occurring in Syria and Lebanon.  Today, the story of Portland nurse Martina Ford met a mother whose baby had been shot to death while she held the child in her arms.  In past days I've read about children shot in Syria just for being on the street, as if someone were target practicing using them as targets.  The deaths are hideous.  It's unimaginable cruelty  that is going on.  Terrorists lead the way in practice and then get to be glorified for doing so.

I know that Israel does not nor ever intended to let such prisoners out of their jails.  They are under pressure by the world to bring about Abbas to the peace table and have gone to such lengths, putting themselves in harm's way.  Our government should be ashamed of themselves for allowing or encouraging this to have ever taken place.   Whatever happened to such decisions as the Geneva Convention?  There should have been an outrage of expecting such a thing to bring about peace when murderers are not of the same mind.

"US Secretary of State John Kerry, who in July nudged Israel and the Palestinian Authority into resuming talks frozen since September 2010, was on Wednesday meeting Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in Rome, according to officials, to discuss Iran, Syria and the talks with the Palestinian Authority.  The talks were due to run for seven hours. "

Resource:  Arutz Shevaa news@israelnationalnews.com, Report:  Livni triying to avoid vote on terrorist release by Maayana Miskin
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173141
Oregonian newspaper 10/25/13 , traveling the globe to give:  a nurse's trip to Lebanon by Richard Read, front page,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzipi_Livni





Thursday, November 8, 2012

At Birth, A Peaceful Partitioned "Palestine" Died

Nadene Goldfoot
Who was studying the Arab-Jewish problem in 1947?  Why of course, UNSCOP, United Nations Special committee on Palestine.  This group left for "Palestine" in June, 1947 to make a new study of the problem and after "endless wrangling, finally ironed out differences with the help of the British.

They forcibly prevented the refugee ship "Exodus" from allowing their load of Jewish passengers to disembark in "Palestine." They recommended on September 3, 1947, that the British  Mandate, which had begun in 1919 after the Turkish Ottoman Empire, which had been defeated in WWI and  lost control of the Arab world, be terminated and that "Palestine" be partitioned into sovereign Arab and Jewish states.  

Soon a White House aide, David K. Niles, telephoned Jewish officials and asked them to come quickly to his office.  He announced happily that the President, Harry S. Truman, accepts the partition plan.  Now there will finally be a Jewish state!

The Jews tried to win over the Arabs to the partition but all efforts to meet with them failed.  Finally Jon Kimche, a British journalist made a break-through and telephoned David Horowitz of the Jewish Agency asking him if he'd like to meet with Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha.  He was an Egyptian and secretary-general of the Arab League, one of the most influential Arab leaders.  He had agreed to an interview.  Abba Eban of the Jewish Agency joined them.

This tall lean-faced Arab diplomat met them in the Savoy Hotel.  Pasha was taking a political risk as the atmosphere was explosive.  After a statement was heard asking about working together, Pasha responded: "The Arab world is not in a compromising mood.  It's likely, Mr. Horowitz, that your plan is rational and logical, but the fate of nations is not decided by rational logic.  Nations never concede;  they fight.  You won't get anything by peaceful means or compromise.  You can, perhaps, get something, but only by force of arms.  We shall try to defeat you.  I'm not sure we'll succeed, but we'll try.  We were able to drive out the Crusaders, but on the other hand we lost Spain and Persia.  It may be that we shall lose "Palestine."  But it's too late to talk of peaceful solutions."  ...." We have only one test, the test of strength..."

 This man had no hatred in his voice and continually called Jews as "cousins."  He was not using any hostile expression about the Jews.

The Jews had just viewed the terrifying character of the majority Arab position, a position founded unashamedly not on logic, not even the logic of rancor, but on a blind fatalism.  We are still facing this same position today,  65 years later.  Logic is not sitting in on any of the conversations.

Abbas will be asking that "Palestine" be a part of the United Nations any day now by asking for an upgraded status.  Then he plans to sue Israel for "crimes."  This two-faced man had put on an act when on Israeli TV talking about restarting peace negotiations.  The only hitch is that "Abbas urged Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to return to the negotiating table. His only condition was that Netanyahu declare his agreement to a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, he said."  We have waited 65 years for a representative of the Arabs sit down and discuss peace terms with us.  Is it possible?  Really?  After all, they only respect force, not logic.  And still the Arabs are vying for power, setting the parameters of this first meeting  which Netanyahu can not agree to.  We're back to the same old--same old.

Resource: http://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-palestinian-official-says-un-upgrade-will-lead-to-suing-israel-for-its-crimes/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH8gtdDA5x0&nofeather=True Jerusalem of Gold by Ofra Haza, English translation with pictures of Israel
Book: Genesis 1948 by Dan Kurzman
http://www.amazon.com/Exodus-Paul-Newman/dp/B00006FDAU/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1352426896&sr=1-1&keywords=exodus+paul+newman  Movie about the ship, Exodus that was not allowed to dock, with Paul Newman, Eva Marie Saint, 

Friday, June 1, 2012

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Says to have Direct Negotiations Once Again

Nadene Goldfoot
Hillary Clinton is also pushing for the two parties of the Palestinian PA and Israel to take advantage of a new political opening and goodwill gestures to resume peace negotiations and said this on a visit to Denmark. Netanyahu asked the Palestinians in person at the UN in a full assembly meeting.  He was ignored.  He asked again to give peace a chance to work.

A goodwill gesture on Israel's part was the release of 91 terrorist bodies to the PA with more to come in the future from the many terrorist attacks in killing Israelis.  So far, it hasn't moved Abbas, though.  He did accept the "gestures," however. Hillary, on the other hand, is encouraged by Israel's new formation of their unity government and sees it as the best for several years who can reach a negotiated agreement.  So she's nudging again, for something that hasn't happened since September 2010.

The PA is demanding: before they negotiate.  So they are negotiating to negotiate.

1. Israel recognize a Palestinian state along the 67 pre-border; which is indefensible.  They say they will go along with equal territorial swaps.
2. Israel stop all construction in Judea and Samaria and East Jerusalem.

Israel is also asking that: ( I say asking and not demanding because this is most likely what the peace talk would cover. ) 

1. The Palestinians recognize Israel as the Jewish state which is what the USA has done.  Also, since it passed the UN in 1948, the UN must have had a majority to do so likewise. (Quite frankly, I don't see how Abbas can do it being the Muslim Brotherhood and Qaradawi, religious leader in Qatar, are so against this as well as Iran. It seems to me that both Hamas and Fatah are not their own man anymore.  Without it, a peace agenda is useless. There must be recognition on both sides to work.)  

The Palestinians have had 64 years to contemplate recognition of Israel.  The Palestinians were not thinking of creating a state until, sometime after 1967 when they saw that they didn't overtake this tiny country and drive it into the sea.  Taking over Israel was not going to be that easy.  Thus, the idea of their own state, which they were offered way back in 1948 and had refused with successive offers since.

Resource:  Arutz Sheva, news@israelnationalnews.com: Clinton Calls for Direct Negotiations between Israel and PA by Elad Benari
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/156323 Returning bodies, list